More on NSA spying
Want transcripts? Good luck reading all of these. Part 1. Part 2.
Want a great blog to read that focuses on this theme? Go here.
Tom Curry of MSNBC has some analysis, which Chris Matthews referenced at the close of Hardball. It is in the form of a Q&A:
Just one as of tonight. From Vermont's Patrick Leahy.
Want a great blog to read that focuses on this theme? Go here.
Tom Curry of MSNBC has some analysis, which Chris Matthews referenced at the close of Hardball. It is in the form of a Q&A:
Did any members of the committee urge Gonzales to seek specific permission from Congress to carry on the program?Statements!!!
Yes, four Republicans did urge Gonzales to seek authorization of the NSA spying, either from a special court set up by the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) or from Congress itself.
Some legal scholars say the FISA law is the only way the surveillance can be authorized and that the Bush administration has circumvented FISA.
Just one as of tonight. From Vermont's Patrick Leahy.
posted by Bravo 2-1 at 8:28 PM
1 Comments:
If the forgeiners calling Americans argument is to be valid, then the initial listening should only be to the words of the speaker on forgein soil. Then, if a judge approves a warrant the American side of the conversation could be listened to. The loss of presumption of innocence is one point of the objection, as well as a lost in the system of checks and balances. The abuses and gains so far aren't as relevent- the issue is more about maintaining a system that is just and fits with the ideals of the society and can be upheld without abuse in the long run.
FDR's and Wilson's (and Lincoln's and Nixons) actions would all be illegal today as the laws and rulings are different. It's one thing to be conservative but trying to go conservative back to the 1910's, or even the 1940's in outdate rulings is taking things a bit far. And, this accepts the premise that this is an open war. A rejection of this premise renders your argument about past Presidents invalid, further striking done the assertions that current domestic spying is the wrong path for America.
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